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Retired Judge Bernard Ngoepe compares women’s power to a key for Mercedes Benz and Donald Trump

Retired Judge Bernard Ngoepe posited that women wield the ultimate power over their hearts, just as Eastern Cape Judge President Selby Mbenenge stands accused of wielding his authority inappropriately, leaving the tribunal to ponder whether cultural context can excuse a barrage of unsolicited suggestive messages and persistent advances.
Retired Judge Bernard Ngoepe compares women’s power to a key for Mercedes Benz and Donald Trump Illustrative image: Judge Bernard Ngoepe. (Photo: Gallo Images / Sunday World / Mabuti Kali) | Griffiths Madonsela SC. (Photo: X) | Advocate Muzi Sikhakhane. (Photo: Gallo Images / Sharon Seretlo) | Eastern Cape Judge President Selby Mbenenge. (Photo: Gallo Images / Luba Lesolle) | Andiswa Mengo. (Photo: Gallo Images / Luba Lesolle) | Lisa Vetten. (Photo: Chris Collingridge) | Advocate Nasreen Rajab-Budlender. (Photo: LinkedIn)

Retired Judge Bernard Ngoepe, Judicial Conduct Tribunal chair of the hearing into alleged sexual harassment by Eastern Cape Judge President Selby Mbenenge, has suggested “god or nature” provided women “absolute power” to decide who “has the keys to her heart”.

The startling thought bubble from the chair came after hours of closing argument by advocate Nasreen Rajab-Budlender, for the complainant, former court secretary Andiswa Mengo, as the marathon tribunal resumed on Tuesday, 21 October 2025.

Mbenenge has denied the charges and has maintained his contact with Mengo had been consensual as well as “cultural” in nature.

Read more: Judge’s sexual harassment hearing pits the old guard against a brave new world

‘Find him guilty’

Rajab-Budlender argued on Tuesday that Mbenenge should be found guilty of sexual harassment and gross misconduct. Earlier, a Judicial Conduct Committee had found that there was prima facie evidence of this.

“In Mbenenge’s case, there were no circumstances in which it was appropriate for him to engage in the manner in which he did. 

“If the JP (Judge President) had genuinely wanted to engage in an open relationship with Ms Mengo that everyone was aware of, there is nothing wrong with it. However, this is not what occurred,” she told the tribunal.

The introduction by Mbenenge’s legal team, advocates Muzi Sihkakane and Griffiths Madonsela, of the Xhosa “cultural” nature of Mbenenge’s approach was an afterthought and had never been proffered earlier, argued Rajab-Budlender.

From “day one”, Mbenenge had bombarded Mengo with sexually suggestive WhatsApps and requests for naked photographs.

Read more: Tribunal hears Judge President Selby Mbenenge could not take ‘no’ for an answer

“Mbenenge wanted to engage with her around sexual content without this formal relationship.”

Applying a qualitative assessment of Mbenenge’s evidence, Rajab-Budlender said, “He is guilty of sexual harassment and that this conduct renders him unfit for a judicial role.”

Wider implications

Rajab-Budlender had earlier set out, in no uncertain terms, the legal frameworks and codes of conduct governing harassment in the workplace as well as the judicial code of conduct. 

That Mengo had said “no” to her superior, Mbenenge, more than 13 times, while he bombarded her with sexually suggestive WhatsApp messages, was evidence of this.

“We know that sexual harassment is prevalent in society, and a Judges Matter report on sexual harassment in the legal profession indicated it was more prevalent than the global average”, she said.

The study showed that 43% of women in the legal profession in South Africa had experienced sexual abuse, and 25% had said they considered leaving as a result, she added.

“This complaint is important because it is not about only Ms Mengo and JP Mbenenge. How this tribunal assesses this will likely determine whether women with legitimate claims come forward in future,” said Rajab-Budlender.

No whiffs of impropriety allowed

While Mbenenge had argued that the Judicial Code of Conduct did not apply to him as Mengo was not an employee, this was not the case. One could not look at the matter without considering the appropriate standards of judicial conduct, Rajab-Budlender said.

“The aim of the code is to assist every judge and inform the public about the ethos of the judiciary, dealing with ethical and professional issues. It is important to look at this code in this matter.” 

A judge, she said, was expected to “behave in his/her professional and private life in a manner that enhances trust in the judicial system and avoids any whiff of impropriety”.

Mbenenge’s conduct had taken place in the workplace, and it was irrelevant whether he was Mengo’s employer or not.

“He does not have to be her employer for the Employment Equity Act to apply. It applies to employees, but also in situations in which third parties are present.”

The Office of the Chief Justice, Mandisa Maya, had introduced a sexual harassment policy with a “zero tolerance” approach and created a dedicated Gender Desk to manage complaints and offer support.

Read more: New judiciary sexual harassment policy must be a living document if it is to have impact

Rajab-Budlender said that even the SA judiciary acknowledged that each of its members was in a considerably powerful position in relation to employees, lawyers and advocates, and that “every member should remain vigilant of how their conduct might be perceived by those who do not share this power”.

Zelensky vs Trump

As the afternoon wore on, Ngoepe seemed taken with his notion that women held all the power in relation to men.

Earlier in the day, the chairperson revealed his suspicion of gender expert, Dr Lisa Vetten’s testimony, offering his opinion that “it was from A to Z as if from the beginning to end in terms of power relations, the JP was dominant”.

And then came the shocking thought bubble.

“You know a woman has got given, by God or nature, depending on what you believe, the absolute power to decide who has access into her heart.

“There is not a duplicate key there, not even a duplicate key to a Mercedes. That is an indication of power and I become curious, if not uncomfortable, when a witness [Vetten] comes to say there was no display of that power by a woman.” 

He rambled on.

“When a beautiful woman wants to give her heart and she says, ‘You want me? Catch the stars for me,’ that is an assertion of power. When a man wants to marry a woman, where does power lie? A man goes down on his knees and kneels in front of a woman. You humble yourself. Is that not power?”

Ngoepe went on, “I am trying to say to you we must be careful how we engage these complex issues of power relations. Zelensky [Volodymyr – Ukrainian President], if he wants to talk to Trump [US President Donald]... Trump can’t go to Zelensky. He is not in a position of power.”

Suggesting women are Trump and men Zelensky, we suppose.

Read more: Tribunal hears Judge President Selby Mbenenge could not take ‘no’ for an answer

Earlier, Rajab-Budlender told Ngoepe that Sikhakhane and Madonsela had implied in their arguments that “only the perfect victim can be sexually harrassed”.

“They assert she must be sufficiently meek and mild, she must also be strong enough to reject advances outright from someone in power. That victim does not exist,” Rajab-Budlender responded to Ngoepe.

Ngoepe later argued that it was “astounding” to suggest that a woman could not assert her power.

About power and sex, not romance

Rajab-Budlender responded: “We do not suggest that there are no circumstances, but what we are talking about there, is a workplace. The most senior and the most junior employee. When we talk about the balance of power, it is in that context,” she schooled Ngoepe for the umpteenth time.

Vetten, in her witness testimony, had set out how Mengo had attempted to exercise some agency “limited by the complexities”.

“She resisted repeated transgressions of her boundaries. She may have rescinded in other ways that are ambiguous, but no one way works in all circumstances for women,” said Rajab-Budlender.

“To suggest that women always had power over their bodies or an invasion of your most intimate private space is so simple – as you suggest – that should this be the case, we would not be a country with the highest rate of GBV in the world.

“Women do not have that power. This is not about romance, but about power and sex.”

The tribunal continues. DM

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  "contents": "<p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Retired Judge Bernard Ngoepe, Judicial Conduct Tribunal chair of the hearing into alleged sexual harassment by Eastern Cape Judge President Selby Mbenenge, has suggested “god or nature” provided women “absolute power” to decide who “has the keys to her heart”.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The startling thought bubble from the chair came after hours of closing argument by advocate Nasreen Rajab-Budlender, for the complainant, former court secretary Andiswa Mengo, as the marathon tribunal resumed on Tuesday, 21 October 2025.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mbenenge has denied the charges and has maintained his contact with Mengo had been consensual as well as “cultural” in nature.</span></p><p><b>Read more:</b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opinionista/2025-06-01-sexual-harassment-hearing-pits-judiciary-old-guard-against-brave-new-world/\"> <span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Judge’s sexual harassment hearing pits the old guard against a brave new world</span></a></p><h4><b>‘Find him guilty’</b></h4><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rajab-Budlender argued on Tuesday that Mbenenge should be found guilty of sexual harassment and gross misconduct. Earlier, a Judicial Conduct Committee had found that there was </span><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">prima facie </span></i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">evidence of this.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“In Mbenenge’s case, there were no circumstances in which it was appropriate for him to engage in the manner in which he did. </span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“If the JP (Judge President) had genuinely wanted to engage in an open relationship with Ms Mengo that everyone was aware of, there is nothing wrong with it. However, this is not what occurred,” she told the tribunal.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The introduction by Mbenenge’s legal team, advocates Muzi Sihkakane and Griffiths Madonsela, of the Xhosa “cultural” nature of Mbenenge’s approach was an afterthought and had never been proffered earlier, argued Rajab-Budlender.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">From “day one”, Mbenenge had bombarded Mengo with sexually suggestive WhatsApps and requests for naked photographs.</span></p><p><b>Read more: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-06-30-tribunal-hears-judge-president-selby-mbenenge-could-not-take-no-for-an-answer/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tribunal hears Judge President Selby Mbenenge could not take ‘no’ for an answer</span></a></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Mbenenge wanted to engage with her around sexual content without this formal relationship.”</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Applying a qualitative assessment of Mbenenge’s evidence, Rajab-Budlender said, “He is guilty of sexual harassment and that this conduct renders him unfit for a judicial role.”</span></p><h4><b>Wider implications</b></h4><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rajab-Budlender had earlier set out, in no uncertain terms, the legal frameworks and codes of conduct governing harassment in the workplace as well as the judicial code of conduct. </span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">That Mengo had said “no” to her superior, Mbenenge, more than 13 times, while he bombarded her with sexually suggestive WhatsApp messages, was evidence of this.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“We know that sexual harassment is prevalent in society, and a Judges Matter report on sexual harassment in the legal profession indicated it was more prevalent than the global average”, she said.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The </span><a href=\"https://www.judgesmatter.co.za/opinions/sexual-harassment-of-women-in-sa-legal-profession-higher-than-global-average-study-finds/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">study showed that 43% of women</span></a><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\"> in the legal profession in South Africa had experienced sexual abuse, and 25% had said they considered leaving as a result, she added.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“This complaint is important because it is not about only Ms Mengo and JP Mbenenge. How this tribunal assesses this will likely determine whether women with legitimate claims come forward in future,” said Rajab-Budlender.</span></p><h4><b>No whiffs of impropriety allowed</b></h4><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">While Mbenenge had argued that the Judicial Code of Conduct did not apply to him as Mengo was not an employee, this was not the case. One could not look at the matter without considering the appropriate standards of judicial conduct, Rajab-Budlender said.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“The aim of the code is to assist every judge and inform the public about the ethos of the judiciary, dealing with ethical and professional issues. It is important to look at this code in this matter.” </span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">A judge, she said, was expected to “behave in his/her professional and private life in a manner that enhances trust in the judicial system and avoids any whiff of impropriety”.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Mbenenge’s conduct had taken place in the workplace, and it was irrelevant whether he was Mengo’s employer or not.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“He does not have to be her employer for the Employment Equity Act to apply. It applies to employees, but also in situations in which third parties are present.”</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The Office of the Chief Justice, Mandisa Maya, had introduced a sexual harassment policy with a “zero tolerance” approach and created a dedicated Gender Desk to manage complaints and offer support.</span></p><p><b>Read more: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-08-11-new-judiciary-sexual-harassment-policy-must-be-a-living-document-if-it-were-to-have-impact/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">New judiciary sexual harassment policy must be a living document if it is to have impact</span></a></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rajab-Budlender said that even the SA judiciary acknowledged that each of its members was in a considerably powerful position in relation to employees, lawyers and advocates, and that “every member should remain vigilant of how their conduct might be perceived by those who do not share this power”.</span></p><h4><b>Zelensky vs Trump</b></h4><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">As the afternoon wore on, Ngoepe seemed taken with his notion that women held all the power in relation to men.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Earlier in the day, the chairperson revealed his suspicion of gender expert, Dr Lisa Vetten’s testimony, offering his opinion that “it was from A to Z as if from the beginning to end in terms of power relations, the JP was dominant”.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">And then came the shocking thought bubble.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“You know a woman has got given, by God or nature, depending on what you believe, the absolute power to decide who has access into her heart.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“There is not a duplicate key there, not even a duplicate key to a Mercedes. That is an indication of power and I become curious, if not uncomfortable, when a witness [Vetten] comes to say there was no display of that power by a woman.” </span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">He rambled on.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“When a beautiful woman wants to give her heart and she says, ‘You want me? Catch the stars for me,’ that is an assertion of power. When a man wants to marry a woman, where does power lie? A man goes down on his knees and kneels in front of a woman. You humble yourself. Is that not power?”</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ngoepe went on, “I am trying to say to you we must be careful how we engage these complex issues of power relations. Zelensky [Volodymyr – Ukrainian President], if he wants to talk to Trump [US President Donald]... Trump can’t go to Zelensky. He is not in a position of power.”</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Suggesting women are Trump and men Zelensky, we suppose.</span></p><p><b>Read more: </b><a href=\"https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/article/2025-06-30-tribunal-hears-judge-president-selby-mbenenge-could-not-take-no-for-an-answer/\"><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Tribunal hears Judge President Selby Mbenenge could not take ‘no’ for an answer</span></a></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Earlier, Rajab-Budlender told Ngoepe that Sikhakhane and Madonsela had implied in their arguments that “only the perfect victim can be sexually harrassed”.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“They assert she must be sufficiently meek and mild, she must also be strong enough to reject advances outright from someone in power. That victim does not exist,” Rajab-Budlender responded to Ngoepe.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Ngoepe later argued that it was “astounding” to suggest that a woman could not assert her power.</span></p><h4><b>About power and sex, not romance</b></h4><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Rajab-Budlender responded: “We do not suggest that there are no circumstances, but what we are talking about there, is a workplace. The most senior and the most junior employee. When we talk about the balance of power, it is in that context,” she schooled Ngoepe for the umpteenth time.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Vetten, in her witness testimony, had set out how Mengo had attempted to exercise some agency “limited by the complexities”.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“She resisted repeated transgressions of her boundaries. She may have rescinded in other ways that are ambiguous, but no one way works in all circumstances for women,” said Rajab-Budlender.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“To suggest that women always had power over their bodies or an invasion of your most intimate private space is so simple – as you suggest – that should this be the case, we would not be a country with the highest rate of GBV in the world.</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">“Women do not have that power. This is not about romance, but about power and sex.”</span></p><p><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">The tribunal continues. </span><b>DM</b></p>",
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Comments (8)

Barbara Holtmann Oct 22, 2025, 08:37 AM

Oh my word this is so depressing. These old men who yearn for the days when they had all the keys to the Mercedes. This is 2025. Where do these ghastly ramblings even fit in the journey that women endure in their company, simply to survive them?

Michael Lake Oct 22, 2025, 11:20 AM

Thank goodness he is a RETIRED Judge!!! I must say though, that he is right (in a very obscure/confused way) that women do have the power to decide who gets the key to the Merc. Generally, in my experience, possession of this is granted to men who are kind, considerate, gentle and loving.

Allen Russell Oct 22, 2025, 11:41 AM

Well done advocate Nasreen Rejab Bud lender for standing up for women! The JP Mbenenge is a senior against a junior he has children her age he should be ashamed of himself! The worst is this happened also during working hours and I wonder how many other ladies he tried his luck on! He must face the consequences for what he has done! It seems like judge Ngoepe is standing behind the JP! They should've had more women in the tribunal

Beverley Roos-Muller Oct 22, 2025, 12:26 PM

So..only a 'beautiful' woman has power, according to Ngoepe? And going down on his knees (to propose?) doesn't much happen any more. What power is he talking about, when she said to her boss at least 13 times, NO. As an older professional woman who spent nearly all of my career being the only woman in the room, very often harassed, with no outlet for complaint, I'm pleased that these days, such a case can get at least this far. It's too slow progress, though better than none at all.

Johan Retief Oct 22, 2025, 03:40 PM

Eina! My culture bites me in the back. What a lame excuse!

Tim Spring Oct 22, 2025, 05:15 PM

Phew, this is deeply, troublingly patriarchal

Paul Eia Oct 22, 2025, 07:25 PM

Ngoepe’s comments are absolutely shocking - on so many levels. He should recuse himself from the Tribunal.

Peter Dexter Oct 23, 2025, 07:55 AM

Using Ngoepe”s analogy, it’s clear that she said “you cannot have the keys to my Mercedes, but he kept on demanding access.” That refusal to accept no is the definition of sexual harassment, irrespective on one’s culture, unless GBV forms an integral component of the cultural identity.